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		<title>Comment on March 2007 &#8211; Global Warming Discussion by mityes</title>
		<link>http://bensbarn.com/2007/11/04/march-2007-global-warming-discussion/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>mityes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Gratis.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Global Warming Night (Part II) &#8211; January 2010 by joe</title>
		<link>http://bensbarn.com/2010/01/30/next-barn-night-friday-january-22/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 02:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=37778 The power point presentation was a self serving series of socialist lies...some of the slides were actually humorous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=37778" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=37778</a> The power point presentation was a self serving series of socialist lies&#8230;some of the slides were actually humorous!</p>
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		<title>Comment on College Night &#8211; February 2010 by Erdmuthe Schönberg</title>
		<link>http://bensbarn.com/2010/02/07/next-barn-night-february-26th-college/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Erdmuthe Schönberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 23:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, sry for my bad english but Ih ave found your site and would say that I find your posts great because they have give me new ideas and new aspects. Thanks for this information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, sry for my bad english but Ih ave found your site and would say that I find your posts great because they have give me new ideas and new aspects. Thanks for this information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Rodger Prescott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodger Prescott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you&#039;re creating problems yourself by trying to solve this issue instead of seeking at why their actually a problem in genuine first location</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re creating problems yourself by trying to solve this issue instead of seeking at why their actually a problem in genuine first location</p>
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		<title>Comment on Evolution Night &#8211; March 2010 by G. Rosner</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Rosner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my questions is really since science is so accepted in other ways, i.e. Antibiotics, genetics, and water heaters – what about human nature makes them some humans (and most young humans in Texas) to believe in such drivel? If this behavioral tendency is here because it is a product of natural selection, what advantage did it give our ancestors? (that is not as vestigial as we&#039;d like today)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my questions is really since science is so accepted in other ways, i.e. Antibiotics, genetics, and water heaters – what about human nature makes them some humans (and most young humans in Texas) to believe in such drivel? If this behavioral tendency is here because it is a product of natural selection, what advantage did it give our ancestors? (that is not as vestigial as we&#8217;d like today)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Evolution Night &#8211; March 2010 by G. Rosner</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Rosner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copied from the Sietch Blog


&quot;What Is Wrong With Texas? Or Why Science Is Important For Your Future&quot;


&quot;Every single thing about this world is moving towards a society in which, to be successful, you need to well versed in science. Doctors, computer techs, wind turbine designers, solar panel installers, smart grid designers, farmers, road planners, architects, you name it the jobs of the future demand a fundamental understanding of science. Teaching your children to believe in drivel is verging on child abuse, as it dooms the poor kid to a future of less chances and harder struggles. If told “taking this pill will make it harder for your child to find a job in the future” no parents would give them that pill, but they think nothing of filling their child’s head full of outright lies, and flim flam.

When 30% (!!) of the people in Texas think dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time and over half reject Evolution through natural selection (one of, if not the most well documented bits of science we have)…we have problems. Do you want these people operating on you, do you want them working on your car, do you want them building your house.

Maybe they think prayer will cure your appendicitis, or maybe they think Jesus will hold your home up in a strong wind, or maybe the holy ghost will fix your muffler. You might think I am being silly, but really when you start rejecting one aspect of science because it disagrees with your holy book, what is to stop you from doing it with other things?

I recently read about religious extremists in some middle eastern countries prohibiting women from buying cucumbers, because they were “too evocative of the male form.” Basically saying that their holy book says A so you can’t do B. This is the direct result of a lack of scientific thinking. If you allow holy books to be your guide in everything you end up with things like Witch Hunts, the Taliban, and theocracies.

When I see people standing up and saying “the Bible says you can’t do xyz” I worry about where this bit of thinking leads. There is no “reason” we should listed to these people, they literally (in fact it is an important part of their world view) feel that they should base their life around the words in a book. Not because the words have been shown to be valid, but because they are in this particular book.

While there are lessons in holy books that are worth following, we know they are worth it because have critically evaluated them and found them to be worth something. We understand it is bad to kill people because it destroys the society that we all depend on for food and shelter, not because some burning bush told us to. Not only is it possible to have morals without a holy book, it is vital that we do.

Imagine if people only refrained from killing people because it was written in a certain book, if someone with enough “holy clout” came along and said “we are changing this bit about not killing people to exclude…women” (or Jews, or black people, or whites or left handed people…), then all the mindless automatons would rush out and start the slaughter. Without a built in critical thinking engine running on science whoever controls the holy book controls the world.

Science is unlike religion because it has no holy book. Science is about discovering the wonders and secrets of nature. It also doesn’t assume we are perfect. People make mistakes in science all the time. The nice thing is that using science and its principles it is possible to test if someone is right or wrong and if wrong correct that bit. This is an important point, things in science can be proven false. Holy teachings cant be tested, in fact if you try to you are often labeled a heretic and bad things happen to heretics. Science is not science if it can’t be tested.

Think for a moment about every moment of your day, from the time you get up, to the minute you fall asleep. I would challenge you to find a single solitary moment of your day that has not been, either improved dramatically, or effected deeply by science. I would be willing to wager large sums of money that you will not be able to find one single thing about your life that is not affected by the advances made in science over the last 200+ years.

Science has created the modern world we live in, for better or worse we are here now because of science. Do we really want to go back to the days when shamans, witch doctors, and holy men ruled the planet? When demons haunted the night, and life and death were based on the proclamations and divination? I think not.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copied from the Sietch Blog</p>
<p>&#8220;What Is Wrong With Texas? Or Why Science Is Important For Your Future&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Every single thing about this world is moving towards a society in which, to be successful, you need to well versed in science. Doctors, computer techs, wind turbine designers, solar panel installers, smart grid designers, farmers, road planners, architects, you name it the jobs of the future demand a fundamental understanding of science. Teaching your children to believe in drivel is verging on child abuse, as it dooms the poor kid to a future of less chances and harder struggles. If told “taking this pill will make it harder for your child to find a job in the future” no parents would give them that pill, but they think nothing of filling their child’s head full of outright lies, and flim flam.</p>
<p>When 30% (!!) of the people in Texas think dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time and over half reject Evolution through natural selection (one of, if not the most well documented bits of science we have)…we have problems. Do you want these people operating on you, do you want them working on your car, do you want them building your house.</p>
<p>Maybe they think prayer will cure your appendicitis, or maybe they think Jesus will hold your home up in a strong wind, or maybe the holy ghost will fix your muffler. You might think I am being silly, but really when you start rejecting one aspect of science because it disagrees with your holy book, what is to stop you from doing it with other things?</p>
<p>I recently read about religious extremists in some middle eastern countries prohibiting women from buying cucumbers, because they were “too evocative of the male form.” Basically saying that their holy book says A so you can’t do B. This is the direct result of a lack of scientific thinking. If you allow holy books to be your guide in everything you end up with things like Witch Hunts, the Taliban, and theocracies.</p>
<p>When I see people standing up and saying “the Bible says you can’t do xyz” I worry about where this bit of thinking leads. There is no “reason” we should listed to these people, they literally (in fact it is an important part of their world view) feel that they should base their life around the words in a book. Not because the words have been shown to be valid, but because they are in this particular book.</p>
<p>While there are lessons in holy books that are worth following, we know they are worth it because have critically evaluated them and found them to be worth something. We understand it is bad to kill people because it destroys the society that we all depend on for food and shelter, not because some burning bush told us to. Not only is it possible to have morals without a holy book, it is vital that we do.</p>
<p>Imagine if people only refrained from killing people because it was written in a certain book, if someone with enough “holy clout” came along and said “we are changing this bit about not killing people to exclude…women” (or Jews, or black people, or whites or left handed people…), then all the mindless automatons would rush out and start the slaughter. Without a built in critical thinking engine running on science whoever controls the holy book controls the world.</p>
<p>Science is unlike religion because it has no holy book. Science is about discovering the wonders and secrets of nature. It also doesn’t assume we are perfect. People make mistakes in science all the time. The nice thing is that using science and its principles it is possible to test if someone is right or wrong and if wrong correct that bit. This is an important point, things in science can be proven false. Holy teachings cant be tested, in fact if you try to you are often labeled a heretic and bad things happen to heretics. Science is not science if it can’t be tested.</p>
<p>Think for a moment about every moment of your day, from the time you get up, to the minute you fall asleep. I would challenge you to find a single solitary moment of your day that has not been, either improved dramatically, or effected deeply by science. I would be willing to wager large sums of money that you will not be able to find one single thing about your life that is not affected by the advances made in science over the last 200+ years.</p>
<p>Science has created the modern world we live in, for better or worse we are here now because of science. Do we really want to go back to the days when shamans, witch doctors, and holy men ruled the planet? When demons haunted the night, and life and death were based on the proclamations and divination? I think not.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global Warming Night (Part II) &#8211; January 2010 by G. Rosner</title>
		<link>http://bensbarn.com/2010/01/30/next-barn-night-friday-january-22/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Rosner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raphaël!
I downloaded* your slides and was really taken back by them. Wow. I wish I was at that event. I am a friend of David&#039;s - maybe we can meet up someday. I facilitated the first talk on Global Warming about 2 years ago - and I must say, most of the discussion was in the bog of whether it&#039;s real or not. It&#039;s good to see that the conversation as evolved to more of what the implications are and why.

Anyway, I do have one question; with two parts;

Given the numbers in your presentation, life will look very different than what it looks like today in about 50 years - because of the changes which will be forced, or self-imposed on nations. First part; Dramatic change doesn&#039;t happen without casualties - so what do you think those casualties will look like and specifically to whom? And second part, what opportunities should we as partakers in industry and opportunity be focusing on so we can capitalize  monetarily?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raphaël!<br />
I downloaded* your slides and was really taken back by them. Wow. I wish I was at that event. I am a friend of David&#8217;s &#8211; maybe we can meet up someday. I facilitated the first talk on Global Warming about 2 years ago &#8211; and I must say, most of the discussion was in the bog of whether it&#8217;s real or not. It&#8217;s good to see that the conversation as evolved to more of what the implications are and why.</p>
<p>Anyway, I do have one question; with two parts;</p>
<p>Given the numbers in your presentation, life will look very different than what it looks like today in about 50 years &#8211; because of the changes which will be forced, or self-imposed on nations. First part; Dramatic change doesn&#8217;t happen without casualties &#8211; so what do you think those casualties will look like and specifically to whom? And second part, what opportunities should we as partakers in industry and opportunity be focusing on so we can capitalize  monetarily?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global Warming Night (Part II) &#8211; January 2010 by Raphaël Montfort</title>
		<link>http://bensbarn.com/2010/01/30/next-barn-night-friday-january-22/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphaël Montfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the drilling : we are. And occording to the vast majority of the oil industry, the ultimate reserves are now pretty much known. All future expected discoveries are already included in the red bars from the graph on slide 22. Brazilian offshore, canadian tar sands and the like are already included in the estimates. Also have a look at slide 23 to understand why people keep thinking there is more oil availble when there actually isn&#039;t.

On the GHG / man made warming : I am not a climate expert. My take on this is that I have to trust people who dedicated their research and skill to this issue. A lot of people blame the IPCC but forget that they are merely compiling raw data coming from the entire scientific community. Thousands of researchers accross the world have published work on the matter which concurs. The IPCC is simply making a digestible excerpt from these works. I simply do not pretend I can decently challenge a widely adopted consensus based on scientific facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the drilling : we are. And occording to the vast majority of the oil industry, the ultimate reserves are now pretty much known. All future expected discoveries are already included in the red bars from the graph on slide 22. Brazilian offshore, canadian tar sands and the like are already included in the estimates. Also have a look at slide 23 to understand why people keep thinking there is more oil availble when there actually isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>On the GHG / man made warming : I am not a climate expert. My take on this is that I have to trust people who dedicated their research and skill to this issue. A lot of people blame the IPCC but forget that they are merely compiling raw data coming from the entire scientific community. Thousands of researchers accross the world have published work on the matter which concurs. The IPCC is simply making a digestible excerpt from these works. I simply do not pretend I can decently challenge a widely adopted consensus based on scientific facts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global Warming Night (Part II) &#8211; January 2010 by joe pregiato</title>
		<link>http://bensbarn.com/2010/01/30/next-barn-night-friday-january-22/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>joe pregiato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I were there. I have two questions: If we are running out of fossil fuels, then why don&#039;t we drill?...That&#039; like saying, &quot;We are running out of milk dear, better not go to the store and buy some&quot;.
Also...I had some juicy facts which back up the claim that global warming (climate change) is not man made. Answer these questions. What % of the planet&#039;s C02 is man made?...What % of the green house gasses are C02?...What % of man made C02 makes up total greenhouse gasses?...truly, Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I were there. I have two questions: If we are running out of fossil fuels, then why don&#8217;t we drill?&#8230;That&#8217; like saying, &#8220;We are running out of milk dear, better not go to the store and buy some&#8221;.<br />
Also&#8230;I had some juicy facts which back up the claim that global warming (climate change) is not man made. Answer these questions. What % of the planet&#8217;s C02 is man made?&#8230;What % of the green house gasses are C02?&#8230;What % of man made C02 makes up total greenhouse gasses?&#8230;truly, Joe</p>
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		<title>Comment on Global Warming Night (Part II) &#8211; January 2010 by Raphaël Montfort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raphaël Montfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish you were there indeed Joe!

I guess the key message is that Energy &amp; Climate Change are two sides of the same coin, and that coin is mankind&#039;s hydrocarbon consumption. Regardless of what one may believe of the conclusions of the scientific community on the issue and the consolidation works done by the IPCC, the carbon dependency remains. In a country where 85% of the primary energy comes from them, among which a good share of imported product, one can wonder : why not try to avoid sending billions and billions of US GDP to the Middle East every year to buy oil? We should also push the reasoning further and and try to picture the effect of such a dependency on the economy and wellfare of the population in the coming peak oil context...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish you were there indeed Joe!</p>
<p>I guess the key message is that Energy &amp; Climate Change are two sides of the same coin, and that coin is mankind&#8217;s hydrocarbon consumption. Regardless of what one may believe of the conclusions of the scientific community on the issue and the consolidation works done by the IPCC, the carbon dependency remains. In a country where 85% of the primary energy comes from them, among which a good share of imported product, one can wonder : why not try to avoid sending billions and billions of US GDP to the Middle East every year to buy oil? We should also push the reasoning further and and try to picture the effect of such a dependency on the economy and wellfare of the population in the coming peak oil context&#8230;</p>
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